George Monbiot & Khalid Mahmood debate Climate Camp

@davehaywarduk “how can that idiot MP say that terrorism is more immediate than climate change. ” Fear wins votes.

@joecushley It just goes to show you can’t really trust computer models to predict major events. Have created a computer model for my university thesis, it made me realise that even what appear as very minor changes to the algorithm, can have massive effects on the models predictions. More inaccuracies can occur when interperating the results too. I guess this is why predictions of the rate of climate change vary so massively.

KM - “If they scale a fence then where are they going to go other than the runway”

GM - “I don’t know… somewhere else in the airport??”

Khalid doesn’t come accross as very bright!

Please answer my other questions about CO2 being a greenhouse gas and whether you think fossil fuels will last forever.

OK so an impostor must have got into your account to call me ‘feeble-minded’ after I made a perfectly civilized comment. Please, you started the insults, I’ll continue them you are the tin-foil hatted propagandist without a handle on the facts. Here’s a fact for ya. In the Limits Of Growth the Club of Rome ran several computer models with different scenarios. ONE of which said that petroleum would be depleted by 1992. ONE of SEVERAL you feeble-minded, neo-con shill. Do you understand this?

The rest of your post is just schoolboy name calling, so I won’t bother even touching that. Name calling propoganda is usually the course somebody takes when they are wrong or just believing in blind faith. I do have children and it’s funny, but they are not as dumb as you! Even they could have told you the Club of Rome predictions correctly instead of just making it up like you! What are you going to try and demonize next, water vapor?

Took you a long time to reply. I guess there was a lack of wind in your area meaning that your wind turbines wouldn’t be able to generate electricity for your PC.
Where did you pluck 2070 from? Been reading the internet? This is like arguing with a kid with a general lack of knowledge.
What I suggest you do is go and read “Limits to Growth” published by Club of Rome. There you can clearly read ALL of the nonsense predictions. PETROLEUM IS….WAIT FOR IT….DEPLETED BY 1992.

@shadowsinthevalley You seem to the one who hasn’t done your research. Look up Club of Rome and 2070 prediction. The word’s woolly by the way. But ‘straw’ would be a more appropriate substance for you. Your arguments are full of it. Thought you were pretty tin-foil hat when I saw your postings, but I reckoned I’d try and engage in a civilised way. Should have known there was no point with someone as far gone, arrogant and ignorant as you appear to be. Good luck. I hope you don’t have children…

They were not, as you put it, wolly. Although I agree many of the alarmists are rather wolly. They told us by the end of the 20th century the world would exhaust its resources. Do your research properly or please don’t comment at all. We already have enough of your types trying to push the science beyond reason or reality and scaring the hell out of our children with it and killing ppl by the millions as we speak. Not being able to understand the free market is a lack of education on your part.

But why this simplistic either/or?! Either land of plenty and unfettered consumption or sack cloth and ashes and cave-dwelling?! Be reasonable. We reduce consumption and find alternative fuel sources. Do you think fossil fuels are limitless? Do you agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas which absorbs infrared radiation? By the way, Club of Rome were pretty woolly with their predictions. 2070 as the end date for mineral resources was there most solid one. Lost me on the free market bit…

PS you do have a computer, though. Which you obviously spend a good deal of time at. Please don’t tell me that you have solar panels on your roof and eat just raw food. Wasn’t it Club of Rome that told us there would be no fossil fuels left by now. Another fraud, but let’s not let the government fruit pick our next energy source. The free market would do a much better job and without taxin and regulating the hell out of us regular folk.

That was a very intellectual response. What intelligent people do is reduce their reliance on fossil fuels (which we’ll have to do in the long run anyway whether you believe the overwhelming evidence for AGW or not). It’s not either or. We won’t have to live in the Stone Age (though you do seem to have a Neanderthal understanding of the situation) there are plenty of ways to mitigate and adapt without damaging lifestyles to any great degree. PS I don’t have a car.

@joecushley So give up your car then and your electricity and go back to the stone age, but remember not to make a carbon emitting fire in your cave! All just to save the planet. You must be feeble-minded.

Mentelle48 and Graham6762 Hilarious! Environmentalists are both Nazis and Jewish. God, you deniers are fuckheads.

Yes, but it’s changing differently this time because we are pumping billions and billions and tonnes of a gas which absorbs infrared radiation into the atmosphere every year.

climate change is a threat!? First I heard, I thought the climate has been changing since the beginning of time. Get use to it you prick!

George Monbiot is to be congratulated on his performance but that is all it is and for his acting skills he is well paid. Sadly his employers have been exposed as frauds with the proof? that the IPCC Report is not just unsound but falsified and a fraud. We now even have the documentation arranging much of the fraud exposed in the public domain. It is hardly surprising 30,000 scientists and 9,000 with Doctorates have signed the Oregon Petition renouncing Mombiots employer’s fraud and lies!

It seems clear now that environmental nutcases like Monbiot, the acolytes of the IPCC racket and those at the UN who would have us bankrupt ourselves based on a belief system that is far from proven, is as big a threat as Nazism was in the 1930s. Worse, it spreads beyond German borders in this case.

Stupid jewish environmentalists are retarded. Global warming is a fraud plants breath carbon dioxide. A fifth grade could identify it’s a fraud to tax and regulate every aspect of our lives.

the mvp was a localized warming, not global…

Joshich :

Monbiot is a leftist alarmist, and an anti-capitalist thoroughbred.

Beware.

He is not quite all that he seems.

It’s odd how you ask for his reasoning, and then condemn him right after as though the answer was obvious.

On his site, he gives several ways climate change could be irreversible:
“… the melting of the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets, which… could raise global sea levels by seven metres… the drying out of many parts of Africa, and the inundation by salt water of the aquifers used by cities such as Shanghai, Manila, Jakarta, Bangkok, Kolkata, Mumbai, Karachi, Lagos,
Buenos

While I think your question seems poorly worded (phrases like “proselytizers” and “scare mongering” have negative connotations that convolute attempts to address the issue objectively) I agree with you that there is an issue of partiality to debates on global warming.

Having said that, I will submit that the possibility of extinction is so extreme that, as Jonathan Schell states in “Fate of the Earth”, the cost of a worst case scenario is too great to simply ignore because it seems “unlikely”

Monbiot speaks so much sense!

A deeply unimpressive showing by Kahlid Mahmood. George Monbiot inspiring as ever.